Agudas Yisrael Wants 6th Slot, Without Rotation Agreement
(Wednesday, December 5th, 2012)
While the Degel HaTorah faction of Yahadut HaTorah envisions a rotation agreement for the sixth slot on the joint ticket, Agudas Yisrael has a different vision, that it will receive that position and there will be no rotation with Degel.
Despite the presence of key players at the meeting they were unable to reach agreement regarding the sixth position, pushing off the decision to Wednesday. The final list must be submitted to the Central Election Committee by Thursday afternoon 22 Kislev.
Undoubtedly the inability of the sides to iron out their differences will lead to a loss for the chareidi tzibur at large, for the decision of the HaPeles/Yerushalmi faction to split off and run independently in the general elections will cost the chareidi tzibur a seat, if not more.
After the Moetzas Gedolei HaTorah of Degel HaTorah met earlier in the week and decided not to reinstate Rav Menachem Carmel, it signaled the end of any chance of unity ahead of the election. The HaPeles faction will run independent of Degel HaTorah, under the party name Netzach. Heading the list will be the deputy editor of HaPeles, Yeshayahu Wein, 35, a resident of Kiryat Sefer. The decision was made in consultation with HaGaon HaRav Shmuel Auerbach Shlita, who gave his bracha for the move to run alone.
A Shas Asifa held in the Beis Yisrael Hall in Yerushalayim on Tuesday night the eve of 21 Kislev 5773 did not pass peacefully as there were jeers and shouts of anger, a visible sign that the recently praised party achdus was breaking apart at the seams. Towards the end of the event, the verbal assaults shifted gear to physical violence and targeted were two nephews of Shas leader Eli Yishai. Tensions between party activists in the Deri and Yishai camps continues to rise and the party prepares to announce its lineup for Knesset, each waiting to see who receives the number one position from Maran HaGaon HaRav Ovadia Yosef Shlita.
Yishai and the other party leaders had already left the event, and when he heard what had occurred, instructed his driver to return to the hall. Yishai assisted one nephew, transporting him to the emergency room of Shaare Zedek Medical Center in his vehicle. A second nephew, who was more seriously injured in the attack, was transported by ambulance. The nephew who required hospitalization for his injuries reportedly passed out for a period of time, telling Yishai after being hit he simply does not remember what took place. Later in the night he was transported to Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital.
Kikar Shabbat reports the deputy prime minister was at his bedside for a period of time, and he released a statement decrying “the tremendous chilul Hashem” that occurred, vowing that people seeking to simply stir the pot and cause disunity in the party would be ousted.
Laadat reports that Rav Yaakov Friedman, who acts as a spokesman for Netzach, confirmed this is the case and the Degel split off faction has decided to run independently. Rav Friedman is quoted as adding “we realized they wiped out the dead, as well as the living.” He was referring to the decision making process that did not take into account the position of Rav Auerbach, as well as earlier statements that the decision to oust Carmel from the lineup was contrary to HaGaon HaRav Elyashiv ZT”L, who made the appointment.
Coalition Chair: We May Get a Coalition Without the Chareidim.
(Wednesday, December 5th, 2012)
Likud coalition chairman MK Ze’ev Elkin was quoted on Tuesday afternoon 20 Kislev 5773 as stating it is entirely possible the government coalition following the general elections will not contain chareidi parties. He explained that chances of building a coalition that does not include chareidim is not out of the question, Globes reports.
ALL M. K. ZE'EV ELKIN. NEEDS IS FOR THE FRUMERS TO KEEP ON WITH THEIR IN-FIGHTING.
ASHKENAZIM WITH THEIR MOUTH,AND SAFARDIM WITH THEIR HANDS,
THEY WILL SOON KILL SOMEONE.
THE SATMAR REBBE SEEMS TO BE RIGHT,
NOT FOR HIS REASON.
BUT THERE IS NO UNITY AND THESE ELECTIONS STINK.
IN THE END FRUM PEOPLE WILL NOT GET ANY VOTES.
GABY LOCK
P.S. SEE MY BLOG ON THE ELECTIONS.
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53 comments:
All very nice, but why so quiet on the Haplern affair? This should have been your nirvana!
I AM QUIET ON THE HALPERN AFFAIR AS
I DO NOT KNOW WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
IF I WANTEAD A WOMEN OUTSIDE MARRIAGE,
I WOULD NOT GO FOR A JEWISH WOMEN,
I WOULD GO FOR A GOYISHER FEMALE,
AND SPECIALY NOT FOR A PERSON I AM COUNSELLING.
Learn to spell boy!
I TOLD THE STAMFORD HILL RABBONIM THAT
I THINK RABBI CHAIM SHOULD GO TO COURT
THERE IS MORE TRUTH THERE THEN IN THESE FIVE RABBONIM
FROM GOLDERS GREEN
I AM PRAYING TO G=D THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN
AND THE GREAT CHILUL HASHEM THAT THESE RABBONIM HAVE MADE.
MY " TWO JEWS ON A CRUISE "WAS A KIDDISH HASEM! ! !
Chaim Halpern is a PREDATOR and you protect him??
"go for a goyisher female".....2 peyos and a shikse? That would make great TV.
Glad I elicited at least some comment from you. I have posted several times to Tickle that Velvel must be the owner of the blog otherwise he would not have risked web defamation charges in publishing the lurid details of CH's exploits with SH lassies. None of those posts have passed moderation, proving I think that he really is the blog owner. All very unsavory. But yes, your cruise was a kiddush hashem.
PUT DOWN YOUR NAME OR SHUT UP
YOU ALL SHIT IN TOUR FUCKING PANTS
Gaby, you are a fucking predator protector. Shame on you.
why is it that people jump to conclusions that rabbi h is a predator, let them set up a b"d of qualified rabbanim not just "kehilla leaders" and lets hear what they have to say, because one guy wrote a comment on "if you tickle us" that he knows a man that knows a women that knows a friend that knows a lady that knows that he arm wrestled does not make him a predator, no hard evidence has been shown to anyone "including the 5 kehilla leaders" who are known to hate the h family.
There is a known saying... If you dont do this and that i will tell your friends that your daughter is a "zoyne", but i dont have a daughter he replied, that i will leave for you to answer for no one will believe you!
From the whole immoral civilisation shtufei zumo in Egypt only Yossef hatsadik was found guilty! from the whole of GG... only Rav C Halperen was found guilty...
WE NEED MORE ANSWERS LIKE JEWISH 11 DECEMBER 2012
G=D BLESS YOU
If you want god's opinion, have a look in chofetz chaim klal 6 be'er mayim chayim os 30
Well I'm glad we got a debate going on this blog instead of Tickle which is highly suspicious as a platform with an agenda. Gaby, this is your moment. Pontificate!
The question must now surely be, can we trust Kedassia on any level and should we be paying out big money this coming Pesach for foods with their label as opposed to LBD whose dayanim are smelling like roses compared to the UOHC. People like D. Yonasan Abrahams stand head and shoulders above all this mess.
why is kedassia put to blame? Its obvious that there is an agenda here between kedassia and lbd, the h family where the ones to enforce kedassia in the n w so self understood lbd hate them, so what is kedassia to do now? Write a letter? So lbd's printer with throw out another one and the war rages on, on the other hand support him? So if you tickle us and all the followers will shout "kedassia predator supporters" plus they are in no interest to support him before they put up a proper beis din so they chose for an independent b"d, so all we do is wait!
im not that big kedassia fan, but what got me angry with london b d was - lets say he did touch a women and he did not have a "heter" from his rabbi as he writes in his letter, is the punishment for that death? Is his wife supposed to be ashamed to walk out on the street? Do his kids have to walk around with red faces? If he asks for a din torah with specialists why not give it to him? If those rabonim cant stick to shmiras haloshen and to malbin pnei chaveyroh, can i be sure that they can stick to halacha when it comes to their own agendas?
If you think that im not right go check chofetz chaim klal 6 be'er mayim chaim os 30 who deals with the same issue
I HAVE NEVER HAD SO MANY COMMENTS ON MY BLOGS
AS SOON AS THE WORD OF SEX IN THE COMMUNITY
CAME UP.
THE PENIS IS ONLY A LITTLE PART OF OUR BODY
AND HAS NOTING TO DO WITH REAL LOVE,
OR LOVE OF YOUR PARTNER AS I HAVE EXPLAINED MANY TIMES
ON MY BLOGS AND THE TELEVISION PROGRAM:
" TWO JEWS ON A CRUISE ".
IT SEEMS TO BE IF YOU CAN'T DO IT,
WE, THE FRUMERS OF STAMFORD HILL AND GOLDERS GREEN,
LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
THE RABBONIM OF STAMFORD HILL AND GOLDERS GREEN
ARE JUST THE SAME.
( I AM SURE THEY ALL HAVE SKELETONS IN THE CUPBOARD)
IT IS NOT ONLY IN THE YIDDISHE WORLD
BUT LAY LEADERS, LORDS AND EVEN THE ROYAL FAMILY.
THAT IS WHY WE MAKE A BRIS.
THE PENIS IS A HOLY PART OF OUR BODY.
AND WE MUST AS JEWS TREAT IT THAT WAY.
AT LEAST WE JEWS HAVE TO TREAT IT IN THAT WAY
IN EVERY SITUATION.
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and whats with "bris haloshen" is'nt it sad to see it being violated with the sinnas chinom at its peak endorsed by rabbonim?
IF THERE IS NO BRIS OF THE PENIS
THEN THERE IS NO BRIS HALOSHEN
AND IF THERE IS NO BRIS HALOSHEN
LIKE THESE RABBONIM
THEN YOU CAN BE SURE THERE IS NO
BRIS OF THE PENIS
IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME TILL
WE FIND OUT.
"I AM SURE THEY ALL HAVE SKELETONS IN THE CUPBOARD"
How about rebbes beating the shit out of young innocent kids, is that classed as a skeleton in the cupboard in N16 or do skeletons just apply to illicit sex?
ACCORDING TO THE TORAH REBBES ARE ALOWED TO BEAT THE SHIT
ANONYMOUS: IF YOU DO NOT LIKE BEING JEWISH
YOU CAN LEAVE THE RELIGION.
I DO NOT CARE.
BUT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THE JEWISH RELIGION TO YOUR LIKING
OR THE LIKING OF TO DAYS SOCIETY.
JEWISH PEOPLE DO NOT COMPROMISE.
Gabi, thank you for your words of wisdom, but where exactly does the Torah say that rebbes can beat the shit out of children? As to leaving the religion: which religion do you refer to? A religion which commands you to put kids in hospital with broken bones or concussion, or our religion which commands us to be a light unto the nations? Incidentally, I presume that in your version of religion kids are not allowed to hit back....so why did you? Yes, I was there at the time.
Now now ... that's not true. Beatings are not chinuch. Let's not reduce ourselves to the standards of Islamic medrassas. The Todras arrest in Salford proves that certain rabbonim have been content to conceal crimes against of abuse of our children and youngsters. That is the sickest thing to come out of this affair, not CH and his towels and arm wrestling or the stupidity or naivety of SH wives. I think the community should have a Savile-type hotline to truly expose the real villains. Were that to happen, CH might well have done us all a favour. And his own sins will likely pale in comparison.
NotGabyLock...the standards of Islamic medrassas are rooted in the fundamental interpretation of their Koran, the same fundamentalism which spawned naieve and sad - rather than stupid - Stamford Hill wives, not to speak of their ill educated and stupid husbands.
how come that if a melamed kills a child while beating him he "potur" according to jewish law? How come if you cut an onion on shabbes you get stoned according to jewish law? If you got a problem with that go convert to christianity the religion of love who never killed anyone for their beliefs
someone please explain whats so wrong with the stamford hill community, i see so much hatred going on
the standards of Islamic medrassas are rooted in the fundamental interpretation of their Koran,
LOTS OF INTERPRETATION OF THE KORAN ARE TAKEN FROM THE TORAH.
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE IS NO BENDING OF THE SHULCHAN ORUCH AND THE TORAH.
AS YOU SAY IF A MELAMED KILLS A CHILD WHILE BEATING HIM, HE IS " POTUR "
WE ARE NOT THE ENGLISH JEWISH PEOPLE,
LIKE LORD SACKS AND LOTS OF THE FRUMERS IN STAMFORD HILL
WHO WANT ACCEPTANCE IN THE GOYISHE WORLD,
THAT JEWISHNESS IS THE BEST WAY OF LIFE.
THE EDUCATION OF JEWISH CHILDREN BELONGS JUST AS MUCH TO THE PARENTS
AS TO THE REBBES OF A CHEDER.
IF YOU WANT BETTER REBBES, PAY THEM MORE.
BUT REMEMBER THERE IS NO BENDING OF THE TORAH
AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TORAH how to treat Todras arrest in Salford proves that certain rabbonim have been content to conceal crimes against abuse of our children and youngsters.
NO THE RABBONIM HAVE LOOKED INTO THE TORAH HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE
ABUSED CHILDREN.
WE,TORAH JEWS, ARE NOT INTERESTED HOW THE GOYIM LOOK AT ABUSE.
Abortion in planet SH is murder unless the abortionist is a melamed! The sages say that sexual intercourse should last no longer than it takes to run around an oak tree, do you keep that fundamental law too? I presume not, because as a kid you were not the fastest of runners, except when running away from your rebbes who wished to kill you, so while it would take me 5 - 10 seconds to run around a large oak tree, it would take you up to an hour to get round; which is why your lovely missus always looks happier on TV than mine! Good Shabbas Gaby enjoy the chulent.
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Jaysus, oy gevaltdik. Hiwaya!
This Charming Man called Gaby Lock, a real pohshiter Yid, he may not have a Shtreimel to wear..OY THIS CHARMING MAN......he climbed all the way to the top of the Hill, saw Religion Torah Zionism, and said my Pants are on Fire like the Famous Song. He did not relent, instead he played Panic on the streets of London, hang the Mr Halpern..hang the Rav? But the enlightened Community refuses to prostrate to such ludicrous demands. Are You Being Served, Gaby?
On a more serious note, What alarms me about the sincere fallen from grace Rav, the 21st C Gaon of London His Highness, His Excellencey, The Honourable Rabbi Chaim Halpern, is that apart from the weekly Gemara Shiur, is often purported himself to be some kind of self-styled Guru, a kind of Rabbi For the Shirtless Ones. Like a Populist version of Sacks. Moreover, I think if he just concentrated on being a Rabbi, a good old local and a lover of Gemara, instead of a power hungry Golders Green Homebase Yo-Yo, he would not have got into this mess. Unfortunately, now it is like waiting for a Star To Fall....And the Star is going to crash into a mighty meteor, that even Arsene Wenger won't be able to catch as Arsenal slide down the table (Yes, we Frum Yidden do like Soccer).
The Federation Jews in London are probs. the most purest. Down with Reform, because I haven't got a stich to wear. Judaism is not about money. Never was and never will be. That is what went wrong with Mishpocha Halpern; they became too big for their boots and thought they were the Adams Family of Golders Green.
It's The Federation of Synagogues rather than Jews. A federation of jews would consist of reform, liberal, orthodox, haredi and sephardi not to mention chabad and their messiah. It cannot happen, because haredi do not consider others to be jews.
The GG scandal would not have happened if the haredim had followed the example of one of their legends in picking young boys whom they considered suitable, to go to university and become doctors and therapists to serve the unique needs of the haredi community. The alleged victims would have been treated by trained therapists and psychiatrists who understood their ways, rather than be treated by a rabbi with no formal training and no clinical knowledge.
YOU ALL AVOID THE MAIN QUESTION. IS IT TRUE OR A LIE ?
THAT IS ALL THE KEDASSIA BETH DIN WANTS TO ESTABLISH.
THE FIVE RABBONIM OF GOLDERS GREEN SAY IT IS TRUE
SO BRING THE LADIES FORWARD!!!
THAT IS WHAT A COURT OF LAW WOULD DO.
IN GOLDERS GREEN MENTION THE WORD SEX
AND THE COMMENTS BECOME FULL!!
THE FRUM COMMUNTIY IS SICK!!
AS BAD AS STAMFORD HILL
Of course it's a lie. Don't you get it Mr Gaby Lock? It is the old chassidish v litvish which we thought was a thing of the past.
The rabbis who found him unfit to be a rabbi supposedly spoke to a victim and they believed her, a kangaroo court could not have done better. Certainly, justice has not been seen to be done. I don't know Rabbi CH and I'm not a chassid, not even frum, but I urge the Rabbi to take action against those who have defamed his character without a shred of evidence other than anonymous posts on a blog with an agenda. I believe that in this instance Rabbi CH has a duty to go to a goyishe court to expose those who cause much damage to all jews.
I'm not a chassid, not even frum,
GET LOST YOU PICE OF SHIT
The Torah is full of Bullshit, we are not living in the bronze age with all its primitive laws and customs. Thanks to science we can now live in an advanced enlightened world, its time to turn the clock forward to 2012, and not dwell in religious fanaticism and backwardness.
Isn't it your duty to try to bring a fellow jew who sins back to the right path, rather than curse him with foul language unbecoming of a true g-d fearing man. When I'm asked for a donation towards the upkeep of your torah institutions I oblige handsomely and I am blessed with invitations to come for shabbos to see how good it is to be frum. That is how a true chassid behaves, you are a fake and it shows. I have never met Rabbi CH but I have spent many an hour with leading chasidic rebbes in Israel and America. Yes,money talks but I like their honesty and their vision, but you? You disgrace the lifestyle you purport to represent on here and on your TV shows.
Anonymous15 December 2012 23:32
Isn't it your duty to try to bring a fellow jew who sins back to the right path, GABY LOCK SAYS: WITHOUT TORAH LEARNING YOU DO NOT KNOW THE RIGHT PATH rather than curse him with foul language unbecoming of a true g-d fearing man. WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHAT G=D FEARING MAN IS ? MOST OF THE ENGLISH JEWS ARE IGNORANT IN TORAH LEARNING LIKE OUR M.P SAYS EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION. When I'm asked for a donation towards the upkeep of your torah institutions. I oblige handsomely and I am blessed with invitations to come for shabbos to see how good it is to be frum. IF THEY WANT YOU TO BE FRUM FIRST YOU HAVE TO LEARN LEARN AND LEARN. THE FRUMERS DO NOT NEED YOUR MONEY,KEEP IT That is how a true chassid behaves, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT A CHASSID YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A JEW IS. you are a fake and it shows. I have never met Rabbi CH but I have spent many an hour with leading chasidic rebbes in Israel and America. YOU ARE THE WORST KIND OF PERSON THERE IS, YOU HAVE NEVER MET RABBI C.H.
BUT YOU TALK AGAINST HIM. Yes,money talks THE FRUMERS TO-DAY DO NOT NEED YOUR MONEY but I like their honesty and their vision, AND THOSE WHO DO LIKE YOUR MONEY ARE NOT HONEST but you? You disgrace the lifestyle you purport to represent on here and on your TV shows.
ON MY T.V. SHOWS I PRESENT MY LIFE STYLE
NOT YOURS OR WHAT THE ENGLISH JEWISH PEOPLE
WANT TO SHOW A LIGHT UNTO THE NATIONS.
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Apikoros .15 December 2012 23:17
The Torah is full of Bullshit, we are not living in the bronze age with all its primitive laws and customs. Thanks to science we can now live in an advanced enlightened world, its time to turn the clock forward to 2012, and not dwell in religious fanaticism and backwardness.
PLEASE DO ME A FAVOUR IF YOU HAVE HAD A BRIS
PLEASE PUT THE PIECE BACK ON
THE CHEIF RABBI
IN THE CHIEF RABBI,S ROSH HASHANAH TELEVISION PROGRAM
HE MEETS RICHARD DAWKINS
THERE IS ONE QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK
BOTH OF THEM.
IN BELIEVE I DO NOT HAVE TO UNDERSTAND G=D.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD
THAT HAS NO BEGINNING OR END.
RICHARD DAWKINS AND THE CHIEF RABBI
CAN NOT EXPLAIN THIS.
I AS A JEW BELIEVE IN G=D EVEN THOUGH I CAN NOT EXPLAIN THIS.
RICHARD DAWKINS WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN G=D
ALSO HAS NO EXPLANATION OF THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
GABY LOCK
It is true that there is yet no clear explanation of the beginning of the universe, and science is constantly making progress in this field and in the future we might have a clear understanding of the beginning of the universe.
But just because we don't know yet doesn't make your explanation of a God any more true. In fact what we do know for certain is that the Torah's account of creation is clearly wrong, the world was not created in seven days, and planet earth is not 5773 years old, and there are many more mistakes in the Torah.
The Torah is false, is full of contradictions and morally wrong, and is clearly not the account of a God, but was written by primitive men who were ignorant about the world that they lived in.
Apikores
Gabi Lock's reply will look something like this: **&%^^)))***!!! @#$%(*&$%#&*^$OFF!
YOU ARE NOT A APIKORES
BUT A PRIMITIVE IGNORANT MAN
AND I AN WASTING MY TIME WITH YOU
PLEASE O PLEASE GO AND LEARN
Agreed. I love you Arsene Wenger (Wink, Wink).
By MorrisseyFanClubIsrael.
Why haven't the CPS and the Met Police been involved; everything seems to be swept under the maroon burgundy carpets and dealt with on the fiddle. Justice cannot be on the fiddle. They are living in 21st C England, not 1st Century Judea. The Women are not Verners and are being treated as them, by the NW Frum Snobs, who encircle the Rabbanim of the Union. Thou Shall Keep Quiet (Bereishit 1:1). Gaby, nobody is buying it.
Agreed, Mr Arsene Wenger (Wink-Wink).
I learned, and I can you Rabbi Lock that you should not be on the internet, not because your people forbid it, rather because you spending time on here is ....bitul zman with d'vorim b'teilim when you should be learning!
I THINK IT IS TIME THAT THE FIVE RABBONIM OF GOLDERS GREEN
WERE TAKEN TO COURT.
THE LIES OF THESE FEMALES WOULD COME OUT AS WELL AS THE LIES OF THE SO CALLED JEWISH CHRONICLE.
I AM SURE THE FINES OF THE COURT WOULD CLOSE THIS PAPER DOWN
I AM SURPRISED THAT RABBI LICHTENSTEIN HAS FORGOTTEN
HOW THE STAMFORD HILL COMMUNITY STOOD BY HIM,
WHEN THE GOLDERS GREEN COMMUNITY ABANDONED HIM
SPECIALLY RABBI GEDALIA OSTREICHER Z.L.
I TOLD THE RABONIM OF STAMFORD HILL WHO I AM VERY CLOSE WITH.
WE NEED TO GO TO COURT TO STOP THIS CHILLUL HASHEM.
THEY ANSWERED ME, " YOU ARE NOT WRONG."
IN COURT THESE SO CALLED LADIES WILL NO BE ABLE TO HIDE.
So Gaby, you are squarely on the side of the Union and complicit in the covering up of abuse of your own Stamford Hill community wives. What does your own wife say about this? Will she go cruising with you again? How can you face the ladies in Breuer & Spitzer?
COURT ,COURT , COURT,
THATS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS
CHILLUL HASHEM.
OR DO NOT HIDE THESE SO CALLED LADIES.
MY WIFE AND LOTS OF THE STAMFORD HILL COMMUNITY
WANT ME TO MAKE A T.V. PROGRAM
THE T.V. ARE WAITING.
I AM JUST WAITING FOR THE
STAMFORD HILL RABBONIM.
A dayan in London was most upset that when his highly regarded father passed away he was not appointed to a very senior position in the UOHC (or so I heard). And he can speak very well, he gets more laughs than the best badchonim in New York, but he did not get what he wanted. And he is very public about how horrible halperns can be.... is there a connection? he is also very fond of women's issues, and I nearly had to throw out my sheitels a few years ago because he want to India for a day and found out everything.
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